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Analyst warns of US depression & China implosion

by Constantine von Hoffman on January 15, 2009

Yep, it’s so bad some companies are actually resorting to telling the truth.

Société Générale says it expects the United States’ economy  to enter a depression and that China’s economy in in danger of  imploding. Albert Edwards, an analyst for the European financial services giant, wrote:

While economic data in developed economies increasingly reflects depression rather than a deep recession, the real surprise in 2009 may lie elsewhere. It is becoming clear that the Chinese economy is imploding and this raises the possibility of regime change. To prevent this, the authorities would likely devalue the yuan. A subsequent trade war could see a re-run of the Great Depression.

If this sounds apocalyptic it is at the very least a needed antidote to the incessant whistling-past-the-graveyard we are hearing from so many other official sources. My current favorite comes from Philly Fed Chairman Charles Plosser:

I expect the housing sector will finally hit bottom in 2009 and the financial markets will gradually return to some semblance of normalcy.

Plosser also says he  doesn’t expect unemployment to hit double digits. While I am not certain Mr. Edwards is right, I would happily bet my next mortgage payment Mr. Plosser is wrong.

Sadly I suspect Mr. Edwards isn’t that far off. I have been concerned for several years about what would happen when China learned the realities of capitalism. (Go here for a PDF of an article  I wrote a couple of years ago — Learning to count in Chinese: A look at how tough it was to do business there even when the going was good) The nation’s leaders have even less compunction than our own about fiddling with statistics and regulations to reflect the reality they want instead of the one they have. (Their latest move — loosening loan requirements as a way to deal with the excess of bad loans held by Chinese banks. Suddenly Citi’s management looks smart!)

After years of being told all was well and that it would only get better, the people of China may be more than a little angry to find out that both gold and rainbow are entirely mythical.

Beijing was already facing significant trouble from people restive over grotesque pollution problems; disillusioned by the end of a once-adequate social safety-net; and totally outraged by the deaths of thousands of children in last year’s earthquake because officials were paid off to OK shoddy school construction. The only thing holding this all together was the lottery-like salvation promised by capitalism. For years the Chinese believed in the forced and fake “equality” of  Communism. That belief has been replaced with faith in a particularly ugly and rapacious type of capitalism.  IIt is anybody’s guess as to what happens when they find out they’ve been sold a bill of no goods.

This reminds me of an exchange between novelist Ken Kesey and Hunter S. Thompson. The ever egotistical Mr. Thompson was surprised that John Lennon had been murdered while he had not.

“I mean, I’ve pissed off quite a few citizens in my time,” Thompson said.
“But you’ve never disappointed them,” Kesey replied.

By Constantine von Hoffman, a veteran business journalist and author of the blog CollateralDamage.biz, a satirical look at marketing and business.

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  • Thomastom
    "I have been concerned for several years about what would happen when China learned the realities of capitalism."

    I agree with you, Constantine. I think China was better off back in the 60s. The people of China had a higher standard of living and were far freer than they are today. Maybe all we need in China is a Cultural Revolution II. Nothing like hanging a few intellectuals and bourgeois entrepreneurs to help them remember the good old days.

    POWER TO THE PEOPLE COMRADE!!!
  • Constantine von Hoffman
    LOL. what a false argument.! I didn't say I thought China was better under murders like Mao & co.

    Maybe you should actually read the story of mine I linked to?

    China is currently operating under the worst of both systems. It's closer to a kleptocracy than anything else. The Chinese people would be better served now (and previously) by a government that had to answer directly to the people and has a legal system that at least attempts to enforce the same rules on everyone.

    Had that been the case then the growth of the Chinese economy would likely have been slower and more sustainable.

    What an idiot.
  • EllenW
    C'mon Constantine. Please admit to everyone that you're a closet commie.
  • Thomastom
    Bwahahaha!!!

    You write a bunch of cr@p. Then you try to cover your tracks by saying I misunderstood you because I didn't follow a link to more cr@p. Who can stand to read so much cr@p?

    Face it. If someone has to follow a link to more cr@p to tell that it's not cr@p, then that's pretty cr@ppy.
  • easy.
  • Fielding Mellish
    Those predicting a bottoming soon assume no "outside" shocks, like a devalued yuan & a trade war. In fact, I think they don't so much THINK the economy will turn around as FEEL that it will turn around. We need to keep in mind that shit happens. Unforeseen shit.
  • Con,

    China may well be screwed for an entirely separate, simpler reason. They're sitting on piles and piles of US debt. Talk about your bad loans. Plus cash reserves stored as dollars have taken massive hits over the last 18-months. Combine that with export cliff-diving and you can pull the plug on their economy in a heart beat.
  • DayTraitor
    Morgan:

    That's a big part of it. But there's an interesting reason for why they are in that positon. The Chinese (as well as other trading partners) make a conncerted effort to take their profits from the trade surplus and keep them in US assets. If they were to convert those profits back to Chinese Yuan, there would be all these Dollars chasing Yuans. The Yuan would rise against the dollar. Then Chinese products wouldn't be so cheap anymore. So, they buy American assets like Treasury bonds in order to keep from devaluing their own currency.

    So, in the final analysis, the reason they "lend" to the US government has nothing to do with being nice guys. It's based purely on self interest and trying to maintain an ARTIFICALY cheap currency. It's a really sophisticated form of trade protection.

    Another reason they are in deep trouble is because they rely heavily on exports (to the entire world, not just the US). Demand for Chinese goods has fallen off a cliff. This is the biggest reason why they are in deep trouble.
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