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		<title>By: seda</title>
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		<dc:creator>seda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope one of them is Franklin Credit ,et al.  Tehy cheated me right at closing and when my lawyer asked them to change their figures they laughed.  MY refi mortgage payment was $3,000.00.At closing they dook 32,000. from me I closed with ant to me of $1,000.00</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope one of them is Franklin Credit ,et al.  Tehy cheated me right at closing and when my lawyer asked them to change their figures they laughed.  MY refi mortgage payment was $3,000.00.At closing they dook 32,000. from me I closed with ant to me of $1,000.00</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don..in the end let me see how many bodies end of in jail?</description>
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		<title>By: BestOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>BestOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Happy.  I&#039;m sorry if I came across that way...it was unintentional.  My point is that this product, as defined by the banks offering them were fraudulent.  I mean this in the same way car salesmen nor purchasers are not responsible for the transaction of a &quot;lemon&quot; model, like the old Gremlin and Pinto.  The designers of these cars KNEW the inherent risk.  The risk management people ran the numbers and found it was more profitable to pay a few wrongful death claims than to fix problems or stop production.  Similarly, the 2/28s and 3/27 were poorly designed products and the designers knew it.  This is my point.  I think there is a time and a place for these mortgages, as well as option arms, and I have done all these, but not before loudly disclosing the inherent faults to the programs.  But I contend that even with all the disclosure, the fact that people did not know they were not qualified at the higher rate, and that this was not even a consideration - this is why I believe the products to be defective.  During all the disclosure process, we never disclosed that they were not qualified at the higher rate.  I think some consumers and even loan officers were under the false assumption that they WERE qualified.  Sure, it was obvious that it would be difficult to make the payments at the higher rate, but this is different that qualifying.  Consumers should have been informed, flat-out, that they did not qualify at the higher rate, even though they did qualify at the lower rate.

Toward the end of 2006 and early in 2007, this actually happened on the option arms through World (Wachovia).  They started requiring qualification at the higher rate, at least that was my experience.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Happy.  I&#8217;m sorry if I came across that way&#8230;it was unintentional.  My point is that this product, as defined by the banks offering them were fraudulent.  I mean this in the same way car salesmen nor purchasers are not responsible for the transaction of a &#8220;lemon&#8221; model, like the old Gremlin and Pinto.  The designers of these cars KNEW the inherent risk.  The risk management people ran the numbers and found it was more profitable to pay a few wrongful death claims than to fix problems or stop production.  Similarly, the 2/28s and 3/27 were poorly designed products and the designers knew it.  This is my point.  I think there is a time and a place for these mortgages, as well as option arms, and I have done all these, but not before loudly disclosing the inherent faults to the programs.  But I contend that even with all the disclosure, the fact that people did not know they were not qualified at the higher rate, and that this was not even a consideration &#8211; this is why I believe the products to be defective.  During all the disclosure process, we never disclosed that they were not qualified at the higher rate.  I think some consumers and even loan officers were under the false assumption that they WERE qualified.  Sure, it was obvious that it would be difficult to make the payments at the higher rate, but this is different that qualifying.  Consumers should have been informed, flat-out, that they did not qualify at the higher rate, even though they did qualify at the lower rate.</p>
<p>Toward the end of 2006 and early in 2007, this actually happened on the option arms through World (Wachovia).  They started requiring qualification at the higher rate, at least that was my experience.  <img src='http://blownmortgage.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Happier than Happy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happier than Happy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excuse the spelling mistakes, i am used to the spell check on my email service. lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excuse the spelling mistakes, i am used to the spell check on my email service. lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Happier than Happy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happier than Happy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best One you said &quot;

This sounds like that 2/28s, 3/27s and option arms were, by definition, because the borrowers were not told they did not qualify at the higher rate. Even if the borrowers new the rate would go up, they did not know they didn?t qualify. So this is why I believe the products were fraudulent&quot;

What i don;t understand is why people like you, and all the other critics say things like this.  Why do you automatically lump everyone that got a loan like this or sold a loan like this into the same category?  Is every single loan aofficer that sold an option arm a crook? is every single borrower that got one frauded?  Are all the bamks guilty of they sold these?  

I say NO.  I think a great many brokers out there were guilty as sin, where very dishonest people, greedy, and lied to their clients.  I think many borrowers wer taken advtange of becuae they were stupid, niave, lied too, etc.  However, i also think many, many borrowers lied to their loan officers to get the home and loan they wanted in their greedy beleif they would make big profits off it when it appreicated or where straight out fraudsters themselves. I also believe there were and still are many honest brokers who used these programs wisely and to their best of intentions to help borrower achive their dream of home ownership when none existed before.  That they clearly explained the rules, the pros and cons, and caps to them, and that the borrowers didn;t care or said no worries, they can pay for it.

I personally did not do more than 10% of my business as option arms or subprime 2/28 and 3/27&#039;s, but the ones i did, i made sure they knew what they were getting into, and explained how they could get out of them as soon as possible by keeping their credit clean, their payments on time, not taking out any new debt, and raisign their scores over 6-12 months.  Those that did, i was able to refi them inot conforming fannie mae loans or Alt A prime loans at 30 yr terms and lower rates.  The ones that kept on ruining their credit and taking out new debts and not paying their bills, are the ones being bailed out today.

Alot of people had a hand in today&#039;s problems, but when people say that brokers and banks took advantage of people and the borrower didn;t know what they were signing, that is not right. My father always taught me froma young age, read the fine print before you sign anything.  Someone should teach these borrowers the same thing and the goverment should license all of us brokers so the publice can feel secure using us down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best One you said &#8221;</p>
<p>This sounds like that 2/28s, 3/27s and option arms were, by definition, because the borrowers were not told they did not qualify at the higher rate. Even if the borrowers new the rate would go up, they did not know they didn?t qualify. So this is why I believe the products were fraudulent&#8221;</p>
<p>What i don;t understand is why people like you, and all the other critics say things like this.  Why do you automatically lump everyone that got a loan like this or sold a loan like this into the same category?  Is every single loan aofficer that sold an option arm a crook? is every single borrower that got one frauded?  Are all the bamks guilty of they sold these?  </p>
<p>I say NO.  I think a great many brokers out there were guilty as sin, where very dishonest people, greedy, and lied to their clients.  I think many borrowers wer taken advtange of becuae they were stupid, niave, lied too, etc.  However, i also think many, many borrowers lied to their loan officers to get the home and loan they wanted in their greedy beleif they would make big profits off it when it appreicated or where straight out fraudsters themselves. I also believe there were and still are many honest brokers who used these programs wisely and to their best of intentions to help borrower achive their dream of home ownership when none existed before.  That they clearly explained the rules, the pros and cons, and caps to them, and that the borrowers didn;t care or said no worries, they can pay for it.</p>
<p>I personally did not do more than 10% of my business as option arms or subprime 2/28 and 3/27&#8217;s, but the ones i did, i made sure they knew what they were getting into, and explained how they could get out of them as soon as possible by keeping their credit clean, their payments on time, not taking out any new debt, and raisign their scores over 6-12 months.  Those that did, i was able to refi them inot conforming fannie mae loans or Alt A prime loans at 30 yr terms and lower rates.  The ones that kept on ruining their credit and taking out new debts and not paying their bills, are the ones being bailed out today.</p>
<p>Alot of people had a hand in today&#8217;s problems, but when people say that brokers and banks took advantage of people and the borrower didn;t know what they were signing, that is not right. My father always taught me froma young age, read the fine print before you sign anything.  Someone should teach these borrowers the same thing and the goverment should license all of us brokers so the publice can feel secure using us down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann, FYI, it was announced by the FBI that if these lenders have BK&#039;d, it&#039;s not going to protect them.  They can still be prosectued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann, FYI, it was announced by the FBI that if these lenders have BK&#8217;d, it&#8217;s not going to protect them.  They can still be prosectued.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Hillary that is great idea lets put small business out of business so the big banks can control the entire Mortgage Market, Primary and Secondary. At the end of the day all that is going to do is make it more expensive for everyone.

As a Mortgage Broker in Texas, I am going to say this until I die or get out of the biz.. .Why is that the states with the biggest mortgage crisis are Democrat strong hold states??? And last time I checked,, Beneficial, Ameriquest, Citi-Financial, Centex Home Equity are all Mortgage Bankers, NOT MORTGAGE BROKERS.

Lets see, CA, Ill, and NY have the country&#039;s most pathetic consumer lending laws?? Now the Dems are acting like they are helping out,, well where were these  people before, Why did these so called do good Democrats all of sudden have this great plan?? they are simply pandering for votes.
 Question? who thinks its a good idea to cash out your homestead to 125%??? In Texas you cannot exceed 80% of your homes value and you cannot do a Homestead Cashout within 12 months of the first Homestead Cashout and our total fee&#039;s excluding pre-paids are capped at 3%.!!!! we already have good laws, we dont need more here in Texas.

And now my rant on Realtors and Builder owned Mortgage Companies.. 
Realtors made billions in the past 5 years due huge commissions being paid by Builders to bring in 1st time buyers and luring them in with all these so called &#039;incentives&#039;, which in reality all that did was inflate a home values that could not be justified in the long run.
I had so many buyers with realtors in tow  pushing for the most they could afford.. not once did the realtor say,, &quot;you know yall really should buy something more affordable,&quot; hell no, all that realtor did was shut his/her mouth so the seller would pay them 8% at closing.
Per my B-Paper reps over 50% of every Subprime wholesaler pipelines were builder owned Mortgage Companies buyers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT MORTGAGE BROKERS...


anyway back to work my mini refi boom is going strong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Hillary that is great idea lets put small business out of business so the big banks can control the entire Mortgage Market, Primary and Secondary. At the end of the day all that is going to do is make it more expensive for everyone.</p>
<p>As a Mortgage Broker in Texas, I am going to say this until I die or get out of the biz.. .Why is that the states with the biggest mortgage crisis are Democrat strong hold states??? And last time I checked,, Beneficial, Ameriquest, Citi-Financial, Centex Home Equity are all Mortgage Bankers, NOT MORTGAGE BROKERS.</p>
<p>Lets see, CA, Ill, and NY have the country&#8217;s most pathetic consumer lending laws?? Now the Dems are acting like they are helping out,, well where were these  people before, Why did these so called do good Democrats all of sudden have this great plan?? they are simply pandering for votes.<br />
 Question? who thinks its a good idea to cash out your homestead to 125%??? In Texas you cannot exceed 80% of your homes value and you cannot do a Homestead Cashout within 12 months of the first Homestead Cashout and our total fee&#8217;s excluding pre-paids are capped at 3%.!!!! we already have good laws, we dont need more here in Texas.</p>
<p>And now my rant on Realtors and Builder owned Mortgage Companies..<br />
Realtors made billions in the past 5 years due huge commissions being paid by Builders to bring in 1st time buyers and luring them in with all these so called &#8216;incentives&#8217;, which in reality all that did was inflate a home values that could not be justified in the long run.<br />
I had so many buyers with realtors in tow  pushing for the most they could afford.. not once did the realtor say,, &#8220;you know yall really should buy something more affordable,&#8221; hell no, all that realtor did was shut his/her mouth so the seller would pay them 8% at closing.<br />
Per my B-Paper reps over 50% of every Subprime wholesaler pipelines were builder owned Mortgage Companies buyers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT MORTGAGE BROKERS&#8230;</p>
<p>anyway back to work my mini refi boom is going strong!</p>
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		<title>By: BestOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>BestOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually read that there were a group of banks that met together several years ago and came up with this plan to offer these loans on a wide-spread basis.  This is probably who they should be investigating.  Many banks did not want to do it, but they were forced to by market pressure, or so they say.  At any rate, they saw the inherent problems right away and balked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually read that there were a group of banks that met together several years ago and came up with this plan to offer these loans on a wide-spread basis.  This is probably who they should be investigating.  Many banks did not want to do it, but they were forced to by market pressure, or so they say.  At any rate, they saw the inherent problems right away and balked.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I am hearing most of the companies are already out of business and have claimed BK..SO what the heck is that going to do?

Great more bad press for mortgage companies!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I am hearing most of the companies are already out of business and have claimed BK..SO what the heck is that going to do?</p>
<p>Great more bad press for mortgage companies!!</p>
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		<title>By: BestOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>BestOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 2/28 &amp; 3/27, by definition, were fraudulent loans because borrowers were not qualified at the max rate.  If these loans were ever offered in the marketplace at all, they should have been qualified at the max rate...very few would have qualified.  The rebuttal is that they would have &quot;gone stated&quot; and qualifed.  But I disagree because the incomes stated would have been much more absurb.  The underwriters I experienced working 2/28s, 3/27s and option arms were very uncomfortable with the whole situation.  They were pressured to &quot;sign off&quot;.  They would have been in a much better position to reject loans if they buyers had to qualify at the max rate.  

According to the dictionary, fraud means &quot;1 a: deceit trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be&quot;.  

This sounds like that 2/28s, 3/27s and option arms were, by definition, because the borrowers were not told they did not qualify at the higher rate.  Even if the borrowers new the rate would go up, they did not know they didn&#039;t qualify.  So this is why I believe the products were fraudulent.  Why can they make up these rules as they go?  Why can they offer products like this that they have to cheat to qualify?  The cheating is built into the loans.  The consumers, although stupid, did not invent this product.  The people who did this did it for one reason only...to skirt the legitimate underwriting of loans.  Period.  I don&#039;t know how much more fraudulent you can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2/28 &amp; 3/27, by definition, were fraudulent loans because borrowers were not qualified at the max rate.  If these loans were ever offered in the marketplace at all, they should have been qualified at the max rate&#8230;very few would have qualified.  The rebuttal is that they would have &#8220;gone stated&#8221; and qualifed.  But I disagree because the incomes stated would have been much more absurb.  The underwriters I experienced working 2/28s, 3/27s and option arms were very uncomfortable with the whole situation.  They were pressured to &#8220;sign off&#8221;.  They would have been in a much better position to reject loans if they buyers had to qualify at the max rate.  </p>
<p>According to the dictionary, fraud means &#8220;1 a: deceit trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick<br />
2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be&#8221;.  </p>
<p>This sounds like that 2/28s, 3/27s and option arms were, by definition, because the borrowers were not told they did not qualify at the higher rate.  Even if the borrowers new the rate would go up, they did not know they didn&#8217;t qualify.  So this is why I believe the products were fraudulent.  Why can they make up these rules as they go?  Why can they offer products like this that they have to cheat to qualify?  The cheating is built into the loans.  The consumers, although stupid, did not invent this product.  The people who did this did it for one reason only&#8230;to skirt the legitimate underwriting of loans.  Period.  I don&#8217;t know how much more fraudulent you can get.</p>
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