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		<title>By: Wholesale Clothing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wholesale Clothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The post  really nice , i like it ,thanks for sharing,thanks for your post, i will keep read your blog everyday</description>
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		<title>By: Wholesale Clothing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wholesale Clothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The post  really nice , i like it ,thanks for sharing,thanks for your post, i will keep read your blog everyday</description>
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		<title>By: Wholesale Clothing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wholesale Clothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The post  really nice , i like it ,thanks for sharing,thanks for your post, i will keep read your blog everyday</description>
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		<title>By: Mikew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, 

Let us not forget that retail lending has incredible marketing going 24/7 to rewrite loans.    Again the word Broker is being substituted for loan officer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, </p>
<p>Let us not forget that retail lending has incredible marketing going 24/7 to rewrite loans.    Again the word Broker is being substituted for loan officer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - I am shocked that you have not gotten replies back calling you a dirty so-and-so.
I agree with you.  I am a loan officer, and I have been an AE as well.
Wouldn&#039;t it be great if the borrower&#039;s just got a par rate for a fair fee the first time around?   Then they won&#039;t have credit pulls and (potentially) appraisal fees every few months or so?
Some borrowers just want to feel that they are smarter than everyone else by treating their mortgage like an E-Trade account, and some brokers want to be sure that they make multiple levels of profit by reworking the same borrower over and over.
I am not pointing fingers at anyone in here.   I am just saying &quot;some&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; I am shocked that you have not gotten replies back calling you a dirty so-and-so.<br />
I agree with you.  I am a loan officer, and I have been an AE as well.<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t it be great if the borrower&#8217;s just got a par rate for a fair fee the first time around?   Then they won&#8217;t have credit pulls and (potentially) appraisal fees every few months or so?<br />
Some borrowers just want to feel that they are smarter than everyone else by treating their mortgage like an E-Trade account, and some brokers want to be sure that they make multiple levels of profit by reworking the same borrower over and over.<br />
I am not pointing fingers at anyone in here.   I am just saying &#8220;some&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are incorrect in your analysis. You have a responsibility to the bank to protect them and their investment. I find it disgusting that you have somehow rationalized this behavior and flaunt it. Churning is a no-no and you are exactly the type of broker that I advise lenders to avoid. You should have contacted the bank and explained the situation to see if you could work something out with them so you wouldn&#039;t have left them high and dry on their investment. For the record, I am a broker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are incorrect in your analysis. You have a responsibility to the bank to protect them and their investment. I find it disgusting that you have somehow rationalized this behavior and flaunt it. Churning is a no-no and you are exactly the type of broker that I advise lenders to avoid. You should have contacted the bank and explained the situation to see if you could work something out with them so you wouldn&#8217;t have left them high and dry on their investment. For the record, I am a broker.</p>
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		<title>By: Fielding Mellish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fielding Mellish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, Bank #1 lost more than $1,000.  They lost almost the whole 280 bps they paid you for their loan.   That&#039;s because while the note rate was 6.375%, they were effectively paying ~ 6.00% to get the money from the secondary money.  Their servicing spread was probably no more than 3/8%.  And even if they had not yet securitized the loan, and used bankdeposits, they still have a cost of funds.  They don&#039;t have free money to lend.

Second, if a retail institution allowed its loan officers to offer such No Cost loans to the consumer and loan #1 &quot;ran off&quot; (got paid off)  so quickly, that retail instituion could well lose as much money as if they&#039;d bought loan #1 from a broker. It all depends upon what commissions they allow their LO&#039;s to make in such situations, how much of the imputed future servicing value of loan #1 was allocated into the branch&#039;s profits (and used to pay rent, phones, processor salaries, 401k plans, manager&#039;s bonus etc etc.).  Some retail intitutions (Wells) pay only reduced commission for refi&#039;s of loan already in the servicing portfolio. Others (Countrywide) don&#039;t reduce commission for re-refi&#039;s.  You might be surprised how similarly Countrywide&#039;s retail side would look at these transactions compared to your view as a broker.  Each Countrywide branch works like a little brokerage.  Loan #1 would have looked like a 280 bp gross (less closing costs) to them-  same as it did to you.

So this really isn&#039;t an issue of broker vs correspondent vs retail, which brings me to my third &amp; final point:

The problem from a servicer&#039;s point of view is not wholesale - it&#039;s doing No Cost loans at all.  No Cost loans work great for originators (since they increase the odds of another refinance in the near future) &amp; great for the consumer who is only in the loan for 2-3 years or less.  They are terrible for servicers who are stupidly banking on a seven year life of the average loan in their portfolio.  The answer is to cap the all-in price at some level where the borrower has to have some &quot;skin in the game&quot; (pay some/all of their closing costs).  If that means they get overlooked by originators doing No Cost loans, so be it.  Banks can&#039;t be all things to all people, and buying loans at 102.500 - 103.00 or higher in the hopes that rates will stay stable or rise (making the loans safe from runoff risk) is STUPID.  We LO&#039;s who like No Cost loans (I do) can rest assured, though, that there are plenty of stupid secondary marketing geeks, so there&#039;ll probably always be some investor willing to play Russian roulette with WAY above par pricing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Bank #1 lost more than $1,000.  They lost almost the whole 280 bps they paid you for their loan.   That&#8217;s because while the note rate was 6.375%, they were effectively paying ~ 6.00% to get the money from the secondary money.  Their servicing spread was probably no more than 3/8%.  And even if they had not yet securitized the loan, and used bankdeposits, they still have a cost of funds.  They don&#8217;t have free money to lend.</p>
<p>Second, if a retail institution allowed its loan officers to offer such No Cost loans to the consumer and loan #1 &#8220;ran off&#8221; (got paid off)  so quickly, that retail instituion could well lose as much money as if they&#8217;d bought loan #1 from a broker. It all depends upon what commissions they allow their LO&#8217;s to make in such situations, how much of the imputed future servicing value of loan #1 was allocated into the branch&#8217;s profits (and used to pay rent, phones, processor salaries, 401k plans, manager&#8217;s bonus etc etc.).  Some retail intitutions (Wells) pay only reduced commission for refi&#8217;s of loan already in the servicing portfolio. Others (Countrywide) don&#8217;t reduce commission for re-refi&#8217;s.  You might be surprised how similarly Countrywide&#8217;s retail side would look at these transactions compared to your view as a broker.  Each Countrywide branch works like a little brokerage.  Loan #1 would have looked like a 280 bp gross (less closing costs) to them-  same as it did to you.</p>
<p>So this really isn&#8217;t an issue of broker vs correspondent vs retail, which brings me to my third &amp; final point:</p>
<p>The problem from a servicer&#8217;s point of view is not wholesale &#8211; it&#8217;s doing No Cost loans at all.  No Cost loans work great for originators (since they increase the odds of another refinance in the near future) &amp; great for the consumer who is only in the loan for 2-3 years or less.  They are terrible for servicers who are stupidly banking on a seven year life of the average loan in their portfolio.  The answer is to cap the all-in price at some level where the borrower has to have some &#8220;skin in the game&#8221; (pay some/all of their closing costs).  If that means they get overlooked by originators doing No Cost loans, so be it.  Banks can&#8217;t be all things to all people, and buying loans at 102.500 &#8211; 103.00 or higher in the hopes that rates will stay stable or rise (making the loans safe from runoff risk) is STUPID.  We LO&#8217;s who like No Cost loans (I do) can rest assured, though, that there are plenty of stupid secondary marketing geeks, so there&#8217;ll probably always be some investor willing to play Russian roulette with WAY above par pricing.</p>
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		<title>By: The WaMu Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>The WaMu Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bret, he said right in his post that the recapture period ended at 120 days, so he&#039;s in the clear.

The better question is whether this loan has been sold off to the GSEs before it was paid off.  If so, this would mitigate the lenders loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret, he said right in his post that the recapture period ended at 120 days, so he&#8217;s in the clear.</p>
<p>The better question is whether this loan has been sold off to the GSEs before it was paid off.  If so, this would mitigate the lenders loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many Broker agreements cover the scenario that you have laid out.  They usually stipulate that you may not refinance your client for a specified time (6 to 12 months, or more).  If you do (and they catch you) you have to repay any rebate/srp that you were paid.  I believe that it is called churning.  It could be quite expensive if you have signed one of these broker (buy/sell) agreements and you get caught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Broker agreements cover the scenario that you have laid out.  They usually stipulate that you may not refinance your client for a specified time (6 to 12 months, or more).  If you do (and they catch you) you have to repay any rebate/srp that you were paid.  I believe that it is called churning.  It could be quite expensive if you have signed one of these broker (buy/sell) agreements and you get caught.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bank&#039;s profit and loss depends on several factors:

1- Their original costs $7,560 plus I am sure some underwriting and adminstrative costs.

2- The bank&#039;s cost of funds differential (borrow vs. lend rate), and

3- The value of the loan to the open market.  I don&#039;t know when you did this loan but 6.375% on a 15 year seems high.  Anyway, if the open market is paying 200 basis points+/- more for that loan then the bank makes money (again, I don&#039;t know when you did this).  If not, then they lose.  It is basic interest rate risk management.  A properly managed bank will have hedged against a fall in rates or quickly sold of the loan.  Basic banking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bank&#8217;s profit and loss depends on several factors:</p>
<p>1- Their original costs $7,560 plus I am sure some underwriting and adminstrative costs.</p>
<p>2- The bank&#8217;s cost of funds differential (borrow vs. lend rate), and</p>
<p>3- The value of the loan to the open market.  I don&#8217;t know when you did this loan but 6.375% on a 15 year seems high.  Anyway, if the open market is paying 200 basis points+/- more for that loan then the bank makes money (again, I don&#8217;t know when you did this).  If not, then they lose.  It is basic interest rate risk management.  A properly managed bank will have hedged against a fall in rates or quickly sold of the loan.  Basic banking.</p>
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