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	<title>Comments on: Wells Fargo Names Orange County and LA as Distressed Markets</title>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://blownmortgage.com/2007/11/05/wells-fargo-names-orange-county-and-la-as-distressed-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-6496</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding levity, hopefully this link works.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-homes3nov03,1,405891.story

&quot;The idea that everyone is supposed to own a home is baloney,&quot; he added.&quot;

But really, if you can buy a home and get a loan, definitely go for it and good on you mate.

MDman420, I think the Central Coast has to go through the same pain as the rest of the nation, though the degree will certainly be different.  When the Japanese were buying everything in sight including Pebble Beach because they were flush with paper wealth we went through a local boom we thought would never end in the 80&#039;s.  Today the boom is based on &quot;wealth&quot; from housing prices that are unrealistic.  I personally know developers who have made millions speculating here and lost millions speculating here and it was just timing that made the difference.  I&#039;m sorry to hear you bought at the peak, I hope you can stick it out.  (At first I thought you meant Cali, Colombia!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding levity, hopefully this link works.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-homes3nov03,1,405891.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-homes3nov03,1,405891.story</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The idea that everyone is supposed to own a home is baloney,&#8221; he added.&#8221;</p>
<p>But really, if you can buy a home and get a loan, definitely go for it and good on you mate.</p>
<p>MDman420, I think the Central Coast has to go through the same pain as the rest of the nation, though the degree will certainly be different.  When the Japanese were buying everything in sight including Pebble Beach because they were flush with paper wealth we went through a local boom we thought would never end in the 80&#8217;s.  Today the boom is based on &#8220;wealth&#8221; from housing prices that are unrealistic.  I personally know developers who have made millions speculating here and lost millions speculating here and it was just timing that made the difference.  I&#8217;m sorry to hear you bought at the peak, I hope you can stick it out.  (At first I thought you meant Cali, Colombia!)</p>
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		<title>By: Adding Levity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adding Levity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh lord this is out of hand.  A few things to consider people:

1 - Californians have high incomes, a home is a tax shelter.  You can&#039;t itemize if you don&#039;t own so you burn money while renting. 
2 - I hear people are moving back to renting.  Well, that will make rents rise.  And in 30 years those people will be still paying rent.  The purpose is to buy and own your home.  
3 - Who wants to be subjected to having to move when your landlord says your time is up?  
4 - This is overblown, i live in Fremont, CA and our market is stable.  In fact two homes sold while i stood in them two weeks ago.  You know, there were 800 homes on the market in early 2001 after the tech bubble burst. Today there are 400 single family homes available.
5 - Loans are clearly available to people with 5% down and good credit, it&#039;s not hard at all.  It&#039;s only hard for people that should not have bought a home to begin with.  People with bad credit, high debt and no money down.  

Step back and relax, property values may decrease but look out 10 years and they&#039;ll be far ahead of where they are now.  And you&#039;ll wished you&#039;d have bought sooner than later.  I mean, if it goes down 30% more who cares?  When i&#039;ve paid my home off guarantee you it&#039;s worth 100% more than it is this week.  Long term, where else will you get that type of return AND have the gov. give you a tax break?

Perspective people, perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh lord this is out of hand.  A few things to consider people:</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Californians have high incomes, a home is a tax shelter.  You can&#8217;t itemize if you don&#8217;t own so you burn money while renting.<br />
2 &#8211; I hear people are moving back to renting.  Well, that will make rents rise.  And in 30 years those people will be still paying rent.  The purpose is to buy and own your home.<br />
3 &#8211; Who wants to be subjected to having to move when your landlord says your time is up?<br />
4 &#8211; This is overblown, i live in Fremont, CA and our market is stable.  In fact two homes sold while i stood in them two weeks ago.  You know, there were 800 homes on the market in early 2001 after the tech bubble burst. Today there are 400 single family homes available.<br />
5 &#8211; Loans are clearly available to people with 5% down and good credit, it&#8217;s not hard at all.  It&#8217;s only hard for people that should not have bought a home to begin with.  People with bad credit, high debt and no money down.  </p>
<p>Step back and relax, property values may decrease but look out 10 years and they&#8217;ll be far ahead of where they are now.  And you&#8217;ll wished you&#8217;d have bought sooner than later.  I mean, if it goes down 30% more who cares?  When i&#8217;ve paid my home off guarantee you it&#8217;s worth 100% more than it is this week.  Long term, where else will you get that type of return AND have the gov. give you a tax break?</p>
<p>Perspective people, perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: MDman420</title>
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		<dc:creator>MDman420</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live on the Central Coast, and happened to move to Cali in May 2005, and bought a townhouse at the peak.  A direct comp is sell for 15% below what I bought. 2br, 1250sq ft $395k purchase down to $335k (comp).

I just sent an appeal to the tax appraiser, and I think they are going to adjust downward my taxes.

I am also in an neg am option ARM.  I am trying to refi, but the drop in value makes LTVR ~97-100%.  I talked with Countrywide, my lender, about a loan modification, and they took my info.  I am praying for good news here.  my rate is 7.625, and could get intro rate of 5.6% (or hopefully 6 or under).

Do you see the Central Coast holding up better than other areas (tourism, retirees, not very overbuilt like other areas in CA).  though Santa Maria has high forclosures.  

I live in Grover Beach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live on the Central Coast, and happened to move to Cali in May 2005, and bought a townhouse at the peak.  A direct comp is sell for 15% below what I bought. 2br, 1250sq ft $395k purchase down to $335k (comp).</p>
<p>I just sent an appeal to the tax appraiser, and I think they are going to adjust downward my taxes.</p>
<p>I am also in an neg am option ARM.  I am trying to refi, but the drop in value makes LTVR ~97-100%.  I talked with Countrywide, my lender, about a loan modification, and they took my info.  I am praying for good news here.  my rate is 7.625, and could get intro rate of 5.6% (or hopefully 6 or under).</p>
<p>Do you see the Central Coast holding up better than other areas (tourism, retirees, not very overbuilt like other areas in CA).  though Santa Maria has high forclosures.  </p>
<p>I live in Grover Beach.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy, the problem is that wages never kept up with the inflation, or pseudo-inflation.

When we first lived in that house, my dad made $12,000 a year, my mom stayed home and both me and my sister went to private school.

As far as demand, it&#039;s declining.  Why, there simply not enough jobs to pay for over inflated real estate.  I don&#039;t know the numbers for the Central Coast, but SD County has had a net loss of people in the last two years.  Now there&#039;s tons of inventory online, which begs the question, why even build anything new?

I don&#039;t think the recent tanking of the American Dollar has anything to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy, the problem is that wages never kept up with the inflation, or pseudo-inflation.</p>
<p>When we first lived in that house, my dad made $12,000 a year, my mom stayed home and both me and my sister went to private school.</p>
<p>As far as demand, it&#8217;s declining.  Why, there simply not enough jobs to pay for over inflated real estate.  I don&#8217;t know the numbers for the Central Coast, but SD County has had a net loss of people in the last two years.  Now there&#8217;s tons of inventory online, which begs the question, why even build anything new?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the recent tanking of the American Dollar has anything to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&amp;R, regardless of whether a house is in good taste or not, the central issue of price versus real value is what makes markets regional.  In light of the declining purchase power of the dollar, how much is the inflated price of a CA home related to increased demand and how much is related to impotent dollars?  My wife went to China this spring and stores were NOT thrilled to take dollars for their goods.  In another 30 years $500,000 will probably buy what $34,000 buys today.  We paid a quarter million for our house in the 80s, watched it rise to $800k in 20 years and are waiting to lose half of that increased equity to the bubble and the other half to inflation.  But we will own it outright and that is the real value.  And it was built in 1933 for the local Bank of Italy president, now there&#039;s irony!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&amp;R, regardless of whether a house is in good taste or not, the central issue of price versus real value is what makes markets regional.  In light of the declining purchase power of the dollar, how much is the inflated price of a CA home related to increased demand and how much is related to impotent dollars?  My wife went to China this spring and stores were NOT thrilled to take dollars for their goods.  In another 30 years $500,000 will probably buy what $34,000 buys today.  We paid a quarter million for our house in the 80s, watched it rise to $800k in 20 years and are waiting to lose half of that increased equity to the bubble and the other half to inflation.  But we will own it outright and that is the real value.  And it was built in 1933 for the local Bank of Italy president, now there&#8217;s irony!</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to what guy said, you have to remember, there are over 30 million people here now, more than the entire Dominion of Canada.   

It used to be relatively cheap to live here, until the 70&#039;s.  Prices eeked up, but the last 7 years was due to easy money, which artificially inflated value.  I mean, double from 2000.  The area I grew up in San Diego is San Carlos.  It&#039;s your typical early 60&#039;s post-War tract housing.  The house we lived in was worth about $34,000 in the early 70&#039;s. A couple of years ago the homes in the area were well into the $500,000&#039;s.  They simply are/weren&#039;t worth that much.

Russ, as far as the &quot;tasteless&quot; &#039;hood out here, look at older developments.  Up until the 70&#039;s the planning and development were pretty good.  Things took a turn for the worst in the 80&#039;s as far as good taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to what guy said, you have to remember, there are over 30 million people here now, more than the entire Dominion of Canada.   </p>
<p>It used to be relatively cheap to live here, until the 70&#8217;s.  Prices eeked up, but the last 7 years was due to easy money, which artificially inflated value.  I mean, double from 2000.  The area I grew up in San Diego is San Carlos.  It&#8217;s your typical early 60&#8217;s post-War tract housing.  The house we lived in was worth about $34,000 in the early 70&#8217;s. A couple of years ago the homes in the area were well into the $500,000&#8217;s.  They simply are/weren&#8217;t worth that much.</p>
<p>Russ, as far as the &#8220;tasteless&#8221; &#8216;hood out here, look at older developments.  Up until the 70&#8217;s the planning and development were pretty good.  Things took a turn for the worst in the 80&#8217;s as far as good taste.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ, I work part-time for an architect on the Central Coast of California (think Hearst Castle) and construction costs here are steep, quality contractors are hard to come by and the layers of red tape one has to go thorough is unbelievable!  We are delayed over 1 year because Calfire is in conflict with the Environmental Dept. over how much brush to remove for 1 homesite.  So the costs to build are enormous for one.  Also you have a lifestyle here that is Hollywood wannabe based, so bling is big.  Check out the show Californication for a taste.  I&#039;m not in any way justifying our ridiculous high-end lifestyle, but the main reason CA prices are off the chart is because along with the house you get California!  Hasta la vista, babeeee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ, I work part-time for an architect on the Central Coast of California (think Hearst Castle) and construction costs here are steep, quality contractors are hard to come by and the layers of red tape one has to go thorough is unbelievable!  We are delayed over 1 year because Calfire is in conflict with the Environmental Dept. over how much brush to remove for 1 homesite.  So the costs to build are enormous for one.  Also you have a lifestyle here that is Hollywood wannabe based, so bling is big.  Check out the show Californication for a taste.  I&#8217;m not in any way justifying our ridiculous high-end lifestyle, but the main reason CA prices are off the chart is because along with the house you get California!  Hasta la vista, babeeee.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are home prices so high in California in the first place?  It isn&#039;t like there is a shortage of land like in typical high cost of living areas: San Fran, Boston, NY, Chicago, etc?

It seems like there is nothing but miles and miles of bland, tasteless, McMansions with 5 car garages in tract developments built on corn fields and yet they are all priced well above $500,000.  What is driving the prices there beside easy money?  The easy money was everywhere and most places still don&#039;t have the same absurd pricing for these boring housing developments 2 hours outside of a major city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are home prices so high in California in the first place?  It isn&#8217;t like there is a shortage of land like in typical high cost of living areas: San Fran, Boston, NY, Chicago, etc?</p>
<p>It seems like there is nothing but miles and miles of bland, tasteless, McMansions with 5 car garages in tract developments built on corn fields and yet they are all priced well above $500,000.  What is driving the prices there beside easy money?  The easy money was everywhere and most places still don&#8217;t have the same absurd pricing for these boring housing developments 2 hours outside of a major city.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morgan, OMG!!!!!!!!

I want to hear more about what Goldman Sachs said.  Me and a girlfriend of mine were predicting up to a 50% correction to all this TWO YEARS AGO.  And people said we were crazy.  

The good news is that I have good intuition about this business.  The bad news is that I was right.

YIKES!!! Can&#039;t wait to hear the rest!!!!  THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgan, OMG!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>I want to hear more about what Goldman Sachs said.  Me and a girlfriend of mine were predicting up to a 50% correction to all this TWO YEARS AGO.  And people said we were crazy.  </p>
<p>The good news is that I have good intuition about this business.  The bad news is that I was right.</p>
<p>YIKES!!! Can&#8217;t wait to hear the rest!!!!  THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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