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	<title>Comments on: Barney Frank &#8211; Broker&#8217;s Worst Nightmare</title>
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		<title>By: Kacy</title>
		<link>http://blownmortgage.com/2007/10/23/barney-frank-brokers-worst-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-6880</link>
		<dc:creator>Kacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my opinion that eliminating the YSP is borderline socialism. Isn&#039;t this great country so great because of the fact that we have competition? Wiping out Brokers by elmininating the YSP would allow banks to &quot;monopolize&quot; the industry. IT will give them carte&#039; blanche&#039; to charge what ever they please. Implementing a &quot;YSP disclosure requirement&quot; won&#039;t make a bit of difference in a big hill of beans either. Consumers will only be further confused by the already complicated world of mortgage lending, made even more complicated and confusing by Federal requirements of disclosing such a things as an APR. (People don&#039;t get it) I understand what it&#039;s for, but aren&#039;t the people of the United States intelligent enough to READ their GFE&#039;s and TIL&#039;s? Furthermore, isn&#039;t it time to hold the CONSUMER accountable for their actions? Why is it that a lender is dubbed a &quot;Shark&quot; because a consumer went with a certain type of loan? Yes, there are a lot of L.O.&#039;s out there that care only about the money lining their pockets and care NOTHING about their customers. But I believe that the majority of us L.O.&#039;s out there do care, and we do try to counsel our clients about the different types of loans and which one we believe will benefit them and why. We WARN the consumers not to go out and charge up their credit cards after completing a debt consolidation loan. But they do it anyway! My own sister in law has done it 3 times. Each time we refinance, consolidate and free up the cash flow using a nice safe 30 year fixed and each time she went out and drove up her credit card balances. Is it the Loan Officer&#039;s fault? I think it&#039;s it time to hold people accountable for the decisions they make. My God, if you load your dorito shoot beneath your nose with McDonalds every day; then your butt WILL get big. Same goes for financial decisions. If you don&#039;t read the fine print, if you don&#039;t take the time to educate yourself and if you decide to go with &quot;that&quot; guy because he is nice and offered you some amazing rate...well, then you get what you get. ACTIONS create Consequences.

So it is completely assanine to think that eliminating a broker&#039;s earning ability will somehow &quot;fix&quot; this country&#039;s mortgage industry problems. Instead it will fuel disaster on our economy. Thousands of companies and people will be out of jobs, the banking industry will monopolize the mortgage lending business. We will take on the persona of a socialist country, and that CAN&#039;T be good. 

I agree with the person that said that without you, the person that needed help fixing their credit wouldn&#039;t even have the luxery of home ownership without you. I can&#039;t tell you HOW many times I have helped people in the same manner. Unfortunately we don&#039;t get &quot;Thanked&quot; for a job well done. We are looked down on because we &quot;earned&quot; a paycheck. Don&#039;t we deserve it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my opinion that eliminating the YSP is borderline socialism. Isn&#8217;t this great country so great because of the fact that we have competition? Wiping out Brokers by elmininating the YSP would allow banks to &#8220;monopolize&#8221; the industry. IT will give them carte&#8217; blanche&#8217; to charge what ever they please. Implementing a &#8220;YSP disclosure requirement&#8221; won&#8217;t make a bit of difference in a big hill of beans either. Consumers will only be further confused by the already complicated world of mortgage lending, made even more complicated and confusing by Federal requirements of disclosing such a things as an APR. (People don&#8217;t get it) I understand what it&#8217;s for, but aren&#8217;t the people of the United States intelligent enough to READ their GFE&#8217;s and TIL&#8217;s? Furthermore, isn&#8217;t it time to hold the CONSUMER accountable for their actions? Why is it that a lender is dubbed a &#8220;Shark&#8221; because a consumer went with a certain type of loan? Yes, there are a lot of L.O.&#8217;s out there that care only about the money lining their pockets and care NOTHING about their customers. But I believe that the majority of us L.O.&#8217;s out there do care, and we do try to counsel our clients about the different types of loans and which one we believe will benefit them and why. We WARN the consumers not to go out and charge up their credit cards after completing a debt consolidation loan. But they do it anyway! My own sister in law has done it 3 times. Each time we refinance, consolidate and free up the cash flow using a nice safe 30 year fixed and each time she went out and drove up her credit card balances. Is it the Loan Officer&#8217;s fault? I think it&#8217;s it time to hold people accountable for the decisions they make. My God, if you load your dorito shoot beneath your nose with McDonalds every day; then your butt WILL get big. Same goes for financial decisions. If you don&#8217;t read the fine print, if you don&#8217;t take the time to educate yourself and if you decide to go with &#8220;that&#8221; guy because he is nice and offered you some amazing rate&#8230;well, then you get what you get. ACTIONS create Consequences.</p>
<p>So it is completely assanine to think that eliminating a broker&#8217;s earning ability will somehow &#8220;fix&#8221; this country&#8217;s mortgage industry problems. Instead it will fuel disaster on our economy. Thousands of companies and people will be out of jobs, the banking industry will monopolize the mortgage lending business. We will take on the persona of a socialist country, and that CAN&#8217;T be good. </p>
<p>I agree with the person that said that without you, the person that needed help fixing their credit wouldn&#8217;t even have the luxery of home ownership without you. I can&#8217;t tell you HOW many times I have helped people in the same manner. Unfortunately we don&#8217;t get &#8220;Thanked&#8221; for a job well done. We are looked down on because we &#8220;earned&#8221; a paycheck. Don&#8217;t we deserve it?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank&#8217;s Bill H.R. 3915 aka &#8216;Brokers Worst Nightmare&#8217; Heads to Committee Vote</title>
		<link>http://blownmortgage.com/2007/10/23/barney-frank-brokers-worst-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-6472</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank&#8217;s Bill H.R. 3915 aka &#8216;Brokers Worst Nightmare&#8217; Heads to Committee Vote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you&#039;re new here, you may want to subscribe to my RSS feed. Thanks for visiting!Barney Frank&#8217;s wide-sweeping, over-the-top, good-intentioned, poorly focused bill The Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act of 2007 is headed to a committee vote today and if it passes will make its way to the House of Representatives floor for debate and an eventual vote.  While it is early in the process any bill making its way to the floor has some serious steam behind it (especially one that has certainly been fast-tracked).  Click here for the in-depth overview that I gave on the mortgage reform legislation here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you&#8217;re new here, you may want to subscribe to my RSS feed. Thanks for visiting!Barney Frank&#8217;s wide-sweeping, over-the-top, good-intentioned, poorly focused bill The Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act of 2007 is headed to a committee vote today and if it passes will make its way to the House of Representatives floor for debate and an eventual vote.  While it is early in the process any bill making its way to the floor has some serious steam behind it (especially one that has certainly been fast-tracked).  Click here for the in-depth overview that I gave on the mortgage reform legislation here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Citi CEO to Resign After Bank Threatened with Liquidity Issues</title>
		<link>http://blownmortgage.com/2007/10/23/barney-frank-brokers-worst-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-6335</link>
		<dc:creator>Citi CEO to Resign After Bank Threatened with Liquidity Issues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 04:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seeing the beginning of the capitulation of the industry as we know it.  We&#8217;ve got that inane Barney Frank bill, CEO&#8217;s going down, state law suits ramping up, get ready - here comes the &#8216;fun&#8217; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] seeing the beginning of the capitulation of the industry as we know it.  We&#8217;ve got that inane Barney Frank bill, CEO&#8217;s going down, state law suits ramping up, get ready &#8211; here comes the &#8216;fun&#8217; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Americans for Prosperity Lead Coalition Against Subprime Bailout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Americans for Prosperity Lead Coalition Against Subprime Bailout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have to say that this letter seems better thought out than the mortgage reform bill proposed by Barney Frank and the petition that has been circulating the internet calling for changes to the mortgage [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Arizona Mortgage Guru &#187; 65th Carnival of Real Estate - Boo!</title>
		<link>http://blownmortgage.com/2007/10/23/barney-frank-brokers-worst-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-6158</link>
		<dc:creator>Arizona Mortgage Guru &#187; 65th Carnival of Real Estate - Boo!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this Halloween, Barney Frank could haunt us out of a career. Morgan Brown presents explains why Barney Frank is a Broker?s Worst Nightmare, this is posted at Blown Mortgage. As always Morgan brings his excellent analysis skills. He breaks [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this Halloween, Barney Frank could haunt us out of a career. Morgan Brown presents explains why Barney Frank is a Broker?s Worst Nightmare, this is posted at Blown Mortgage. As always Morgan brings his excellent analysis skills. He breaks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Odysseus Medal competition &#8212; Voting for the People&#8217;s Choice Award is open &#124; BloodhoundBlog: Real estate marketing and technology blog &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments</title>
		<link>http://blownmortgage.com/2007/10/23/barney-frank-brokers-worst-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-6142</link>
		<dc:creator>The Odysseus Medal competition &#8212; Voting for the People&#8217;s Choice Award is open &#124; BloodhoundBlog: Real estate marketing and technology blog &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 04:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8212; Real estate weblogging, Waking from my blog reverieMorgan Brown &#8212; Lending reform, Barney Frank - Broker?s Worst NightmareGary Elwood &#8212; Credibility, The Curious Secret to Getting People to Believe YouJeff Brown [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Captain Ned</title>
		<link>http://blownmortgage.com/2007/10/23/barney-frank-brokers-worst-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-6035</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@troy:

#3 sounds a lot like HUD&#039;s last attempt at RESPA reform.  No $$ going directly from lenders to brokers; instead lender would credit YSP $$ to borrower at closing who would then pay them as a flat fee out of their own funds (just like the old Option One borrower credit program).  From a regulator&#039;s standpoint I actually thought this was a good idea as all compensation paid by the borrower came out of their pocket, making comparison shopping that much easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@troy:</p>
<p>#3 sounds a lot like HUD&#8217;s last attempt at RESPA reform.  No $$ going directly from lenders to brokers; instead lender would credit YSP $$ to borrower at closing who would then pay them as a flat fee out of their own funds (just like the old Option One borrower credit program).  From a regulator&#8217;s standpoint I actually thought this was a good idea as all compensation paid by the borrower came out of their pocket, making comparison shopping that much easier.</p>
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		<title>By: troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALSO, VERY IMPORTANT.

Read the exact language of HR 3915.  IT states, regarding YSP, that it &quot;cannot be based on or related to to the terms of the mortgatge loan.  It does not say that YSP will be eliminated.  Nowhere does it say anything about YSP being eliminated.  It just says that it cant be paid a) to the broker while B) being based on loan terms.  This means that

1) you can still get a YSP, it just has to be a fixed, or flat fee.

2) you can get paid from you lender a fee based on THEIR SRP, not on the your specific loan terms (loophole)

3) the YSP can be paid to someone else, like the borrower, who can then give it back to you in the form of points, or possible a third party.  I don&#039;t know, but the language is vague.  It may be possible for a third party, such as a processor, to rec. that compensation.  If you are your own processor, maybe?

I still think it wont pass, or won&#039;t pass with the YSP in the bill, but even if it does, there are still options.

RELAX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALSO, VERY IMPORTANT.</p>
<p>Read the exact language of HR 3915.  IT states, regarding YSP, that it &#8220;cannot be based on or related to to the terms of the mortgatge loan.  It does not say that YSP will be eliminated.  Nowhere does it say anything about YSP being eliminated.  It just says that it cant be paid a) to the broker while B) being based on loan terms.  This means that</p>
<p>1) you can still get a YSP, it just has to be a fixed, or flat fee.</p>
<p>2) you can get paid from you lender a fee based on THEIR SRP, not on the your specific loan terms (loophole)</p>
<p>3) the YSP can be paid to someone else, like the borrower, who can then give it back to you in the form of points, or possible a third party.  I don&#8217;t know, but the language is vague.  It may be possible for a third party, such as a processor, to rec. that compensation.  If you are your own processor, maybe?</p>
<p>I still think it wont pass, or won&#8217;t pass with the YSP in the bill, but even if it does, there are still options.</p>
<p>RELAX</p>
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		<title>By: troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the real deal.

This isn&#039;t a ploy by banks.  Banks want YSP.  Need proof.  They pay it now, willingly, and spend millions of dollars letting us brokers know it.  Seriously, if &quot;banks&quot; really wanted to get rid of YSP to &quot;eliminate the competition, they wouldn&#039;t pay it.  See, these banks are the same banks that you already do business with.  The largest retail banks in the country are also the largest WHOLESALE banks in the country.  They want, and need brokers, and they will fight his legislation just like the NAMB.  Infact, the MBA has come out againt it.

I also disagree with the authors statement about it hard to find too many industries where they are rewarded for less than optimal product qualities.  Oh boy, wrong.

First, it is not product quality, it is price.  big difference.  
Secondly, EVERY industry is rewarded for less than optimal product &quot;price&quot;.  It is capitalism, it is called profit.  Based on what you are saying, Wal-Mart would do better by it&#039;s customers if it sold products at wholesale, thereby being not being rewarded for product quality or price.
Third, YSP are not the problem.  Removing them would be disastouous.  Aside from the fact that the bill is heavilly biased against those who do not have a YSP (Large banks), the legislation needs to CAP YSP, not eliminate it.  Make the cap 3.5%  like BofA already does.  Can&#039;t make more than that in total compensation.  That way, there is no incentive to increase rates much.  I have NEVER had a problem with that rule, in fact I think 2.5% is even more fair.  If you have to charge more than 2.5%, then you need to do more loans, or find a different career.

Also remember, it is not just brokers who get YSP.  On of my major wholesalers does most of their business with community/regional banks.  They are paid YSP as well.  60% brokers, another 15-20% regional banks, most of whom do not want to use their own maoney or take the risk.  you are talking about 70-80% of all loan originators in this country.  Trillions of dollars.  Whoever put this bill together will quickly realize the severity and consequences if it passes, and it will be ammended.

Also, this bill was attempted at lest 2 time before, and failed miserably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the real deal.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a ploy by banks.  Banks want YSP.  Need proof.  They pay it now, willingly, and spend millions of dollars letting us brokers know it.  Seriously, if &#8220;banks&#8221; really wanted to get rid of YSP to &#8220;eliminate the competition, they wouldn&#8217;t pay it.  See, these banks are the same banks that you already do business with.  The largest retail banks in the country are also the largest WHOLESALE banks in the country.  They want, and need brokers, and they will fight his legislation just like the NAMB.  Infact, the MBA has come out againt it.</p>
<p>I also disagree with the authors statement about it hard to find too many industries where they are rewarded for less than optimal product qualities.  Oh boy, wrong.</p>
<p>First, it is not product quality, it is price.  big difference.<br />
Secondly, EVERY industry is rewarded for less than optimal product &#8220;price&#8221;.  It is capitalism, it is called profit.  Based on what you are saying, Wal-Mart would do better by it&#8217;s customers if it sold products at wholesale, thereby being not being rewarded for product quality or price.<br />
Third, YSP are not the problem.  Removing them would be disastouous.  Aside from the fact that the bill is heavilly biased against those who do not have a YSP (Large banks), the legislation needs to CAP YSP, not eliminate it.  Make the cap 3.5%  like BofA already does.  Can&#8217;t make more than that in total compensation.  That way, there is no incentive to increase rates much.  I have NEVER had a problem with that rule, in fact I think 2.5% is even more fair.  If you have to charge more than 2.5%, then you need to do more loans, or find a different career.</p>
<p>Also remember, it is not just brokers who get YSP.  On of my major wholesalers does most of their business with community/regional banks.  They are paid YSP as well.  60% brokers, another 15-20% regional banks, most of whom do not want to use their own maoney or take the risk.  you are talking about 70-80% of all loan originators in this country.  Trillions of dollars.  Whoever put this bill together will quickly realize the severity and consequences if it passes, and it will be ammended.</p>
<p>Also, this bill was attempted at lest 2 time before, and failed miserably.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Brinitzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Brinitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great early post on the proposed legislation Morgan, and great discussion by a lot of smart people here.

I agree that this type of legislation will push mortgage brokers toward the exit.  That has long been the goal of the mortgage banking industry anyway, and now is an ideal time for bankers to consolidate volume through their retail channel while blaming brokers for the industry&#039;s problems.

However, this will not help the consumer.  Brokers will simply become bankers, and then we&#039;ll all be free to hose the consumer because no one will have to disclose YSP anymore.   Gee, won&#039;t that be great.   

My company is both a broker and banker, and you know why we&#039;ve done that?   Because of the threat of RESPA reform, which rears its brainless head every couple of years.  

I agree with Russ that the problem isn&#039;t YSP or even lack of disclosure.  Consumers won&#039;t read disclosures, and the more paperwork we throw at them, the less inclined they&#039;ll be to read it.    Perhaps the problem is that we got too tricky for our own good.  For my part, I&#039;m relieved to be back in a market where people have to actually document income and assets, where loans are easier for the consumer to understand, and where shady originators can&#039;t bury a 4% margin in a 1% pay option arm to generate 3.5% in YSP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great early post on the proposed legislation Morgan, and great discussion by a lot of smart people here.</p>
<p>I agree that this type of legislation will push mortgage brokers toward the exit.  That has long been the goal of the mortgage banking industry anyway, and now is an ideal time for bankers to consolidate volume through their retail channel while blaming brokers for the industry&#8217;s problems.</p>
<p>However, this will not help the consumer.  Brokers will simply become bankers, and then we&#8217;ll all be free to hose the consumer because no one will have to disclose YSP anymore.   Gee, won&#8217;t that be great.   </p>
<p>My company is both a broker and banker, and you know why we&#8217;ve done that?   Because of the threat of RESPA reform, which rears its brainless head every couple of years.  </p>
<p>I agree with Russ that the problem isn&#8217;t YSP or even lack of disclosure.  Consumers won&#8217;t read disclosures, and the more paperwork we throw at them, the less inclined they&#8217;ll be to read it.    Perhaps the problem is that we got too tricky for our own good.  For my part, I&#8217;m relieved to be back in a market where people have to actually document income and assets, where loans are easier for the consumer to understand, and where shady originators can&#8217;t bury a 4% margin in a 1% pay option arm to generate 3.5% in YSP.</p>
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